Digital DJs: how do you organise music?

Just read the “I sold my entire record collection” by the man from the Grimsby Riviera (thank you, Plum, for the reference) and, as is so often the case with his words, found myself inclined towards his point. I have occasionally thought such things myself. However, the reason I have not embarked on such an extreme venture is that I have some crazy idea that I can donate all my memorabilia and archives to some university library as a sort of time capsule of bohemian and musical life in San Francisco in the ‘80s. That is what I tell my wife anyway when she lets me know that she doesn’t want to deal with it. I’ll admit that I also have a certain affection for the physical realm and the documentation, such as it is, that all this stuff provides of my peculiar (and exciting at times) life. Perhaps I’m just deluded.

But I could go digital with a small selection of the best stuff, right? Wouldn’t have to do the whole lot. Then maybe I would play out again. I sort of have my eye on claiming DJ Derek’s title of World’s Oldest DJ - but hauling the crates around is a major obstacle.

Maybe, but pre-rekordbox, a lot of DJs default method seemed to be (at best) “this one might be alright” and (at worst) pot luck.

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let me know if you’re liquidating - i’m close by :slight_smile:

Honest, I don’t think I’m going to be liquidating any time soon. But if you’re passing by, please let me know and I’ll extend hospitality.

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Sorry, what an absurd photo for a topic about digitizing! At least there’s a couple of computer screens in it. And I suppose it illustrates the necessity of prioritizing if I were to go more digital. Of course, being a stickler for language, I’m going to point out that CDs are indeed digital.

or you would get sasha working out the keys of epic house knobbing and sobbing 17 minute blue amazon epics on the piano. I’d rather just do it the classic hardcore-jungle way, chuck em in and turn down the bass/mids if its too incongruous.

Oh and I still don’t use rekordbox.

Funny you should mention Sasha, cos I played with him fairly regularly at Fabric in the early days. His method of organising music was somewhat hilarious. He’d arrive in the DJ booth and then about 20 minutes before he was due to start, he’d tip his record bag upside down and chuck everything on the floor. Then he’d start trying to organise records into the right sleeves and generally put some order to the chaos of his record bag. Seemed to work for him, I couldn’t work like that though. Gives me the heebee jeebees just thinking about it.

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i played along side a few different people who treated their sleeves interchangeably, no rhyme or reason to what records are actually in what sleeves - like you, it bothers my OCD something awful. i can’t help but think people like that are essentially leaving their sets up to chance.

on the other hand, i knew a couple of people who brought detailed lists of what they were gonna play and in what order, and i thought that was joyless - you might as well play a tape.

look at me, a little cinderella DJ.

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There is something to be said for randomness and chance - but not much and Eno kind of cornered the market on it.

When I was spinning, there was often an element of chance in that I hadn’t worked out a big set, was working maybe a tune or two ahead, but was attempting to read the floor, which can be pretty chancy. I fell on my face a few times, but when it works . . . Ooooh! Better than sex and drugs!

Surely, we’ve all had that moment when we’ve realized about 30 seconds before the mix that what’s cued up is all wrong and we’ve pulled something, anything, out of the crate almost at random.

I love reading how other DJs have fudged their way through things. It seems to me that back in the day there was a bit more randomness and chaos. A lot of this digitization stuff with all its data seems a bit too prim and tidy for me.

I looked at rekordbox. It made my head hurt.

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lol that’s mental. Didn’t you have a musical personality clash though? can’t imagine the y2k dark tribal prog sasha crowd into disco/house screamers and balearic chuggers! Or did he play different sets at Fabric.

this happens a lot when i’m playing 90s ragga riddim versions with house and techno. cos they’re obviously not intended for the long mix it’s like oh shit I need something here before it runs out. It can be frustrating when you do a quick 10 second beat mix, but they are basically really hard to get wrong. Now I know why djs like Sven Vath love them. where my mixing style of bringing tunes in and out in the UK hardcore/jungle style for 3-4 mins always has a risk to it.

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This is my signature style… Toss the cued up record to one side and jam the newly-found alternative on the platter with trembling hands as the other record begins to fade.

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I’m sure it wasn’t like this for David Mancuso…

Yup, the trembling hands are key.

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He did have the ear of a classically-trained musician though.

I’m pretty sure he used the pitch-control properly too.

Fascinating thread, not least the original Avalon Emerson interview. I’ve hesitated to unveil my “system” as, for someone currently without gigs or a radio show, it’s clearly the work of a madman. With that caveat, here goes.

It starts in iTunes / Apple Music where all my digital music is organised – it physically resides on a SanDisk 1TB SSD drive, backed up all over the place, obviously. So each incoming track is assessed as to whether it is suitable for (hypothetical) DJing use - if so I flag this in the "Grouping” field, and have a smart playlist that just shows these – used later on in Rekordbox.

Regardless of whether it’s made the DJ cut, I tidy up the metadata, e.g. assign the genre, add artwork if necessary and find/check the year (not always possible - e.g. obscure steel-pan disco bangers). If the track is an edit and the original artist/title hasn’t been credited, I try to find the source (usually possible these days) and update artist/title.

Then it’s over to Rekordbox…

To import new tracks I open iTunes within Rekordbox, then open up the smart playlist containing only the DJ tracks, then import to Collection

Now that everything is in Rekordbox I give every track a colour, which is essentially an “energy rating” - from Balearic to Banger, and all points in between. I reserve Blue for tracks that I’ve changed my mind about and these get removed from the collection at some point. Unless I’ve changed my mind again.

Then I look at the waveform and sprinkle in a few memory cues at significant points in the track - if only to highlight the basic structure. These I’ve also been colour coding. This stage can also highlight if the track needs a bit of remastering, or even if it’s a potential edit project (if I could ever find the time). When this process is complete, I turn the analysis lock on, just to show its been done.

None of that is much of an overhead for new tracks but it’s been pretty time consuming to work through the backlog. As I’m only a relatively recent convert to Rekordbox, and with c, 3,700 tracks currently in there, just adding each track colour was quite a task. Adding the cues - which is essentially just a critical play-through of the track - is even more of a challenge, timewise. But given these are all tracks which by definition I think are pretty great, I’m basically listening to my digital collection, albeit in a complicated way.

Two things have really helped with this. Firstly the keyboard shortcuts in the Rekordbox desktop app mean I can fly through a track checking/adding cue points at 8 bar (or any other) intervals, if that’s the way its structured. Secondly the smartphone app means I can chip away at the backlog on my way to work and snyc it to the main database later.

I’ve played about with My Tags and have a few useful ones, but feared this could easily take me down an organisational rabbit hole, from which I might never emerge. Like pretty-much everyone else, I can then build smart playlists using the above metadata, as well as hand-crafted “crates” etc.

One recent development, which makes all of this slightly less mad, is that I’ve bought a Pioneer XDJ RX3 all-in-one-unit - basically two scaled-down CDJ 3000’s, a 2 channel NXS2 mixer, and a large central screen. So I can now stick all of the above onto a USB and actually play around on a reasonably real-world setup, while honing my strategy for getting back “out there”. Obviously everything I do on the XDJ then syncs back to the Recordbox via the USB stick.

The XDJ unit is great, btw, and I speak as a former audiophile/boutique/rotary zealot…

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I certainly hope you get back “out there” after all this work. But, you’ve certainly convinced me that I’m not going to do the same! Very good information to have.

Cheers! It’s actually more fun than it sounds :slight_smile:

Listening to all the music sounds great. I just suffer from crosseyed screen fatigue at even a glimpse of Rekordbox. I wish it were otherwise. I used to be anal about all my mp3 tags and organizing my music library, but now I hardly even open the thing despite a LOT of tunes.

I’m a lazy sod about digital stuff these days. If you saw my studio photos over in the “What sound system setup you using to listen at home” it would probably be obvious why.

However, if I was playing out on a regular basis, I’d reevaluate. Cheap slut as well as a lazy sod!